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To Ana Kasparian and others turned into antisemites by the US Constitution and US laws.
You are irrational. You are right criticizing the abomination of Israel in Gaza but Israel is 100% right in going after the Ayatollahs.

Trump is right too going after them because they are a danger also to all its neighbours and to essential energy supplies. Sure, they are blocking Hormuz now but do you doubt what they would do to oil supplies and to the oil industry of the neighbours if they have nukes? I tell you what they would do, they would blackmail the World.

The hard trutth dear Anna is that the regime has to go, hell, even its Moslem neighbours are so scares of Iran that they have asked for US military bases in their territories!

They are more scared of Iran than Israel is because they are militarily weaker than Israel. In extremis, Israal can nuke Iran, which they do not.

Do you have any doubt the Ayatollahs would nuke Israel to eradicate it, even if Israel nukes them back and kills millions of Iranians? For them it would be a colossal success to destroy Israel.

You are right too in criticising the US Jewish lobby but they do what they are legally allowed to do. Yes, the violate the spirit of democracy, that the will of the majoriry, not the will of any minority should prevail.

But all other lobbies violate the spirit of democracy and can be rationally argued that, at least together, and some even individually, cause far more harm to the lives of Americans and kill more of them than helping Israel does.

I am thinking of the lobbies of big pharma, big farm, big food, big health, big insurance, big banks, big finance, big weapons, etc.

You should criticize much more the US Constitution and the insane legislators and insane US Supreme Court.

This is why:

The US Constitution puts too much power in the hands of politicians. In fact it places essentially all legislative and executive power in their hands.

Whatever power it does not place in their hands it places in the hands of judges, in those of the Supreme Court and other judges.

It also places in the hands of politicians the selection and appointment of judges

The Constitution also allows insane practices like birthright citizenship, which has given rise to a whole travel industry.

The Supreme Court, in a completely insane decision, also allows unlimited spending in US elections. The obvious and predictable cobsequence is that it handed control of the results of US elections to the point that no candidate can mount a campaign for any election without big money from somewhere. Without money he will not be heard and attack ads will destroy his/her campaign.

I do think like you that the US should not have supported Israel’s actions in Gaza because it can not be justified if we respect life, to kill tens of thousands of innocents just because some Hamas are among them. It is like killing flies with artillery; the collateral damage is unacceptable.

Yes, Hamas are murderers that should be killed but during the Gaza occupation, they presented no danger to Israelis, excepto the occupying soldies, but even that was minima and certainly you can not justify the inhuma actions of the Israelis.

You are also right denouncing the abuses of Palestinians by sokdiers and “settlers” in the West Bank. But Iran does present, unlike Hamas, an existencial threat to Israel, particularly if it has nukes. Hamas would love to be an existencial threat too, but lacks the means.

Israel, in spite of its abuses in Gaza and West Bank, wants to exist and, for now, most people in the US and the West, perhaps even around the World, support the survival of Israel, but that could change if the Israelis and Jews supporting it, continue their legal but antidemocracy lobbying efforts.

My suggestion to you is to stop being a foaming at the mouth antisemite. Yes, you are an antisemite because you oppose the will of most semites (meaning Jews). Most Israelis and the most representative Jewish organisations in the US support what Israel did in Gaza and what it does in the West Bank.

I think you should be able to distinguish the immorality of Israel in Gaza from the morality of attacking Iran.

But there is sonething much more imoortant and effective you could do so that neither the politicians nor the lobbies can make decisions, pass laws, amend the Constitution to do what they think is right for the country, for themselves and the lobbies and also force all lobbies to present their arguments and get the support of most Americans. What you should do is work your butt off to bring to America what I call, “The Swiss Amendment”.

Such amendment transfer final decision making powers over any policy, executive decision, treaty, regulation and contents of the Constitition to the voters directly.

A critical provision is that prohibits that the Swiss Supreme Court even examine any decision by the people. In the Swiss system, any decision made by the people in a referendum is constitutional, only another referendum by the people can overturn it.

In the Swiss system the people have absokute and final power to stop or throw away any decision by politicians and also the power to force politicians to pass new laws, change the constitution, etc.

Very important is that any Swiss citizen or group of citizens or organisation can initiate the process of the referendum, the government can not.

For example, in the US any group of Americans could initiate the process to hold a referendum on the degree of support of all sorts that the US should allocate to Israel and the American voters would decide and the decision would be final until another referendum decides differently.

This system takes care of any attempt by any lobby or politician to ignore or even go against the will of the majority. It brings unmatched political stability and responsible and responsive government to Swiss towns, cantons and to the federal goverment.

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Antisemitism will not go awat until we abandon all supremacist religions: “this is THE TRUTH, the rest are wrong/evil”, and we fully return/recover/”convert” to Greek Reason. The Greeks, even the Romans, were not antisemites, how could they be if they were far above any “THIS is THE TRUTH” religion-based society.

The Greeks in particular were so far ahead that only when we adopted part of their thinking did Europe developed the Renaissance and the Enlightenment, pulled European Jews along, and the rest is that the whole World started to become Western, China being the las country to adopt the scientific and economic and political ideas of the West. Unfortunately, they are still stuck in a terrible, political Western-Jewish pilitical idea, Messianic Marxism. But soon they will ditch it for democracy.

By the way, democracies today have not yet caught up with ancient Greek democracies.

Our democracies are a great advance with respect to absolute kings, emperors, theocracies, dictators, communism and fascism because we have freedom of expression, freedom to choose our rulers, but we, the people still do not rule.

In ancient Greek democracies the people ruled; the people, after organized discussion and debate, were the final authority on any law or policy.

In Greek democracy there were no holy books, no revealed truth, no prophets, no messiahs, no supreme gods; humans were the measure of all things, as Protagoras stated 2500 years ago.

If the people are not the final executive and legislative authority, we are not a democracy; freedom of expression and freedom to choose rulers are not enough, we must have freedom to decide and to prevail over elected politicians, and the Supreme Court must not exist or be a council of the people, no judges appointed by politicians.

The only country that comes close to real democracy today is Switzerland.

Once the people rule and Reason is the measure, antisemitism will disappear. We need to transcend religion.

By adopting Reason and giving up religion we will, again, leave any religion based society behind.

A side benefit will be that Christians and Moslems and perhaps others, will overcome without anger, without resentment, their pathetic inferiority complex with respect to Jews ans will far outhink Judaism-based thought, just like the Greeks decisively and forever did more than 2800 years ago.

Polievre chat with Joe Rogan.

And we all need the Swiss system of political decision making. Polievre and Joe did not say it, but I will: the Swiss system is real democracy, the democracies of all other democratic countries are half baked democracies because the wiil of the people is often not carried and sometimes the politicians make decisions contrary to the will of the people.

It does not matter if they are representative democracies English style, or Republics in the American or French style.

Non democracies like Russia, China, Iran are abominations contrary to human dignity and life. Absolute monarquies like Saudi Arabia are also abominations but not as terrible.

Communist, fascist or one man or one party or one religion dictatorships are all abominations and must disappear from the face of the earth, they diseases, just like cancer, polio, the Wohan virus etc.

Study the Swiss.

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Thanks Polievre! I hope Carney agrees and Canada becomes another Switzerland, or better.

A land where the people have final executive and legislative power over politicians.

A land where the people, on their own initiative, can call for binding referendums on any proposal that 1% of registered voters sign up to sen it to binding referendum; any law, new or existing, any policy, any provision of the cobstitution.

A Spanish poet; Machado wrote about life: “Walker, there is no way ahead, you make the way as you walk”.

In the Swiss system: ” there is no fixed constitition, the voters make the cobstitution as they vote in referemdumns”.

The Swiss apply the same system in towns, cantons ( they are a bit like US states but with more autonomy)

Thanks Polievre!, thanks Rogan!

A number of people have lost their minds as a result of Israel’s abominal behaviour in Gaza; they now defend the Ayatollahs, they have hone “full Hamas”.

Let us be rational; Iran is a threat to everybody. What sort of Moslem regime will even scare its Moslem neighbours to the point of them wanting to have American military bases? Keep in mind America is Israel’s strongest ally by far.

The Iranian regime murders thousands of Iranians just for protesting. What kind of Iranians or Moslems are those willing to kill fellow Iranians, fellow Moslens in Iran and outside Iran?

What kind of regime will support Hamas and Hizbollah, what kind of regime declare as its main goal to eliminate Israel and consider America the devil when even Israel’s neighbours are starting to accept Israel?

It is obvious that people like Ana Kasparian, Jimmy Dore, Tucker Carlson and many others have lost their minds; they have evolved from the sanity of criticising Israel in Gaza to defending the Ayatollahs, the deadly enemy of Israel, and the country firing missiles at its neighbouring Moslem states just because those nations decided that the Iranian regime scares them and to protect themselves invited the Americans to have bases.

In other words, Tucker, etc., have developed full Jewish Derangement Syndrome, totally irrational, they are defending the deadly enemies of the West and even of Arab Moslem states.

Frankly, it is not unlike supporting the nazis and the killing of the Jews when the British and the Americans started to attack the invaders of France, tge Nederlands, Poland, etc.

Carlson and the others at mad at American Jews because they have too much influence over American politicians.

They are right, the Jewish lobby does have too much influence over the President and Congress, no matter which party is in power.

But I think they would agree that so does the powerful lobbies of big pharma, big farm, big food processing, big retail, big weapons, big bureaucracy, big law, big oil, big solar, big labour, big health, big insurance and on and on.

I would even argue those lobbies, some of them by themselves, harm Americans far more than the Israeli lobby; for example, the lobbies who fight universal health care or healthy for Americans.

They would agree with me, if they are rational, that those lobbies, all of them have too much influence over politicians but do so legally, the US Constitution, the electoral campaign laws and the Supreme Court allow unlimited influence over electoral campaigns in the US.

The do that by allowing unlimited money contributions, positive and attack ads, by controlling news and editorials, etc.

The Jewish lobby is very successful in its goal of helping Israel. I do think they make a mistake by, in my opinion, going too far in the use of their influence and have created a scary backlash.

But I think Tucker and the rest would also agree that in life and death terms, big food, big pharma, big farm, big “health”, kill or cause the death of far more Americans than all the Middle East wars, even if you assume that the US attacked Irak, Iran, etc., to help Israel.

If Tucker and the rest can overcome their JDS, they woul not attack the Jewish lobby; they would seek reform of the Constitution.

Need the Swiss amendment

“The American people can initiate binding referendums on any issue in their towns, states and at the federal level, and the results of such referendums will be of mandatory execution by the executive and the legislature, and the Supreme Court will not be permitted to consider the constitutionality of such referendums”.

Any citizen, group of citizens, lobby, union, professional group, political association or party (with or without elected politicians), any religious group, etc., can collect the 1% of signatures of registered voters agreing with the proponents of the referendum. Once they have the signatures after a reasoable time of several months or longer, dependind on the issue, the referendum shall take place.

For example, Americans could take to such referendum issues like abortion, terms for politicians, campaign laws, changes to the constitution, universal health system, pesticides, NATO, assistance to Israel, etc.

No, our civilisation is not Christian or JudeoChristian, our civilisation, the civilisation spreading around the World is the continuation of Greek civilisation. Christianity is just the religion of many.

Remember that Europe only took off, recivilized itself, in the Renaissance after knowing of the Greeks. This means that after 16 centuries of Christianity, Europe remained backward, as it can not be otherwise when faith suppresses freedom.

That is why also Communist countries, religious regimes, etc., keep countries backward. No, China is not a Communist regime, it is a fascist-capitalist regime using the word Communism to fool the Chinese people. Im fact, China is more like nazi Germany.

Just a reminder; the West civilized itself and its ideas and inventions in all areas of knowledge are gradually civilizing the whole World, but it is not because of Christianity, it is because in the Middle ages, after 1600 years of Christianity and even more of Judaism, some Europeans came across ancient Greek ideas like placing humans at the center, pushing divinities to the margins, freedom of thought and decision, and its natural consequence, democracy.

Fortunately, those Europeans became fascinated by Greek thought (which the ancient Israelis, along with Persians, Phillistines and orhers, were unable to grasp), otherwise Israel and the others would have become shiny sparks in the Ancient World and the Renaissance and Enlightenment would have happened abour 2000 year earlier, 400 before Christ, etc.)

The European Renaissance and the Enlightenment, this time, also won over many European Jews.

The rest is history, even smart people like Chinese, Japanese, Indians have “converted” to Western Civilization and some like the Japanese, the Taiwanese and others are as good, as civilized, as any Western country.

India has even embraced representative democracy, and the Chinese of the mainland surely will too in time, once they see that CCP Marxist dogmas and corruption, and controlling the people, holds them back materially and, just as important, in terms of freedom and human dignity. Yes, the Chinese today are way behind the ancient Greeks in freedom and dignity.

Another hard truth is that the Moslems, during their holy wars, also came across Greek thought.

At first they fell in love and adopted Greek freedom of thought, which is what Greek Philosophy is about. Unfortunately, soon the Islamic authorities felt unesat trying to thread Moslem dogma (rigid ideas) with Greek freedom of thought and in the 10th century started to shut freedom of thought down.

The Christian authorities were unable, but not unwilling to do the same but, for whatever reason, the Europeans resisted, although the Church tried hard; almost killed Galileo, burned his books, also burned Copernicus books and banned certain ancient Greek authors.

At the same time, faced with the impossibility of eradicating Greek thought, a number of Church authorities like Augustine, Thomas Aquinas and orhers performed assorted intellectual pirouettes trying to sew the Christo-Judean beliefs with Greek Reason and freedom of thought, an irational goal because faith and reason are like oil and water.

People have the right to have and believe anything that comforts them, but faith is real only in the mind of the believer.

Without scientofic proof, all the reasoning of the Fathers of the Church is about why God must exist, as per their reasoning, there is not one iota of proof that any god exists.

However, the idea of divinity is obviously comforting to millions of people, orherwise religion would not exist.

Testimonials about any god speaking to humans, miracles, etc., are not proof.

But let me tell you another hard truth; even today’s democracies are not real democracies. For sure they are far more civilized than any dictatorship; communist, islamic or fascist because they have freedom of thought and speech, and can elect their leaders, instead of being treated as not better than domestic animals, as is the case in all dictatorships.

The final hard truth is that only the Swiss haveba democracy that comes close to real democracy. This is because, while they have freedom of thought and expression and can elect representatives, the people can not decide any law or policy, which the Swiss can.

Many wars would not happen if ordinary citizens had the opportunity to discuss the issues and directly decide key laws, key policies and changes to the constitution, all on their own initiative and prevailing over decision or law made by politicians.

Buildimg democracy in Irak, Iran, Afghanistans, Lybia, Syria, etc., is not important, nor is it essential to have politically stable regimes after the evil regimes are overthrown.

What is important is that those countries do not become baes for terrorists, do not finance terrorists, do not have nuclear weapons that can threaten their neighbours or the civilized world, specifically the World that has civilized or is in the process of civilizing the world, not so much through empires and invasions but with ideas.

Basically, the West is the continuation of Greek classical thought about human reason as the basis to understanding ourselves, nature and the universe instead of this or that god, holy book, prophet or messiah.

By a fluke, the Italians and other Europeans rediscovered Greek thought and, bless them!, became fascinated, sparked the Renaissance and the Enlightenment that recivilized the Europeans and European Jews to Greek Reason.

In the process they initiated the destruction of religious faith, brought democracy and pushed off rule by god or holy books.

Im other words, our civilization is Greek ( they civilized the Romans too), it is the religion that is and is in the process of having been, Christian.

No, the advance is not Marxism, the “religion” that hates religin, but democracy.

In a democracy no god or priest rules anything, nor does the general secretary of any totalitarian, religous like, communist party inspired by “prophet” Marx and his insane “holy book”, Das Kapital.

In a democracy, in a real one, the people are free to propose ideas to their fellow citizens. The citizens debate them and vote to decide which law or policy should rule the community or the nation; no king, no president, no prime minister, no pope, no rabbi, no religion, no political ideology.

That is what the ancient Greeks did. Today. Only one country comes close to real democracy, Switzerland.

The Swiss people, unlike the people or the democracies of the ancient Greek city-states, do not decide every law or policy but decide ANY law or policy they choose to decide when about 1% of the registered voters decide a policy, law or the constitition must be decided by binding popular referendum.

In other words, among the modern democracies, Switzerland is the only one that can be considered a real democracy.

The rest of the so-called democracies are not so. They are elected aristocracies which often, such is the case in the US and many orhers, are dominated by lobbies who represent oligarchs.

Non democracies, like China, Iran, Saudi Arabia. Cuba, North Korea, etc , are inhumane abominations where the people have less rights than domestic animals.

Having said that, and regardless of the abominal actions of the Israeli army, directed by Netanyahu, in Gaza or of Trump’s protecting the Epstein criminal class, attacking and destroying crazy Mullahs of Iran is a proper moral action.

The Ayatollahs are so terrorific that do not only kill Iranians who protest, they kill gays, they enslave women with pre- Stonehenge clothing and behavioural rules, kill people who freely decide to abandon Islam and other crazy stuff like forcing women to play football with heads covered; they go beyond tha; the Ayatollahs are so terrorific that even states almost as backward as Iran, like Saudi Arabia, are so scared of them that they seek the protection of non-Moslem states, like US, and are even happy that the Jews bomb the hell out of Iran.

Maybe Bibi and Trump should go to jail for Gaza and Trump for the Epstein files, but on Iran they are 100% right, even if their motivation was to distract from Gaza and Epstein.

What is irrational is for many people to oppose attacking the crazy Iranian regime because of Gaza, because they hate the Jews or because they hate Trump.

It is irrational for the World to tolerate a regime like Iran’s; inhumane to its people, a threat to its neighbours, to Israel, to the West and a regime that if it had nuclear weapons could at will destroy the economies of the Gulf states and of much of the World by closing the Straights of Hormuz.

Bring the Swiss system to the US. Let the people decide how much to help Israel and if attacking and destroying the Ayatollahs is justified.

My impression is most Americans still support the survival of Israel, do not support Hamas at all, do not support the abominal way Israel behaves in Gaza and other terro

itories, support a viable Palestinian state but without Hamas (with Hamas in power most American may support that Palestinians do not deserve a state.

Most Americans I believe support destroying the Islamist regime in power, in part because a nuclear Iran is a danger to Israel but, perhaps even more because a nuclear Iran would blackmail all states around into puppets.

I believe most Americans will also support impeaching Trump for its protection of Epstein’s criminal class.

If the US had the s

Swiss system, which only requires and amendment to the Constitution ( orherwise the Swiss Constitution resembles that of the US, in which it is based), there would be several groups in the US collecting signatures for a really democratic amd direct decision of those issues by the voters.

Furthermore, such decisions by the American people would protect American Jews and Israel much more solidly than the current strategy of Jews of basically intimidating candidates and elected politicians into supporting Israel the way most Jews want, not the way most Americans may ormay not want.

The Jewish lobby is doing what the crazy US electoral law allows; unlimited private money into all political campaigns. Quite ligically, the US public resents the Jews and the politicians when the will of the people is not considered or ignored.

Naturally, such resentment is rational because what all lobbies (not just the Jewish lobby) try to do is de facto by pass democracy.

As US democracy and politicians of all parties, become discredited in the eyes of the people the political gun powder spreads all over the nation waiting for a spark.

The spark could be mass unemployment, hyper inflation, growing inequality, deepening social and pilitical division, etc.

Carlson is nuts, and those trying to protect Iran from US attacks too, defending Iran because they hate the Jews is nuts.

One thing is to criticize Israel in Gaza, criticise the US for sending too much money to Israel BUT Iran is clearly the enemy of Israel AND of all Arab states around Iran, otherwise they would not accept American, British and French bases.

The actions of Iran attacking now the Arab states prove they are nuts and evil.

An Iran with nuclear weapons scares the Israelis BUT scares even more the Arabs.

It is rational too to attack Trump for protecting the Epstein class.

But Tucker, stupidly goes histerical over attacking Iran.

I suspect Tucker is now very antisemitic and that is why he attacks Trump for the attack on Iran.

That Israel wants the US to attack Iran, does not make it a war on behalf of Israel only, it is a war on behalf of the Arab states and on behalf of all those countries who depend on a stable supply of oil and gas out of the Arab states in the Gulf. Any idiot can understand the Islamists of Iran can not be allowed to have nuclear weapons and control oil production and oil shipping.

Sad to say but Tucker, David Smith, The Young Turks, Breaking Points, Jimmi Dore and many others have lost their minds not defending destroying the Ayatollah’s regime. Their obsession with Jewish power in the US has driven them irrational emotional. Literally, they are not thinking rationally.

The hard truth is that Israel was wrong in Gaza, Trump and US politicians are wrong supporting Israel too much, Hamas is nuts, the Ayatollahs are nuts, Trump is wrong protecting the Epstein criminals and should be impeached for that, and those criticiszing Israel and the US for attacking Iran are nuts too.

Get off your verbal behinds, take to the streets, drop all the anti Israel and anti Jewish lobby stuff, the anti Trump stuff and march together with people of any ideology demanding the Swiss system of political decision making in the hands of the people and off the hands of all politicians and lobbies.

Make the decision by the people binding on politicians. Do not allow the Supreme Court to decide over the people

Look guys, that Israel wants to destroy the Ayatollahs does not mean the Ayatollahs are not an evil regime.

The hard truth is that even the Moslem states around Iran fear it and that is why they have American military bases. Those states are not scared that the US or Israel will destroy them or take their oil.

The hard truth is that those states and Israel fear the ayatollahs.

They fear them for good reason. It is obvious Iran wants to have nuclear weapons, otherwise they would welcome inspections over all of Iran.

It is also obvious they want to destroy Israel.

It is also obvious that millions of Iranians want the regime gone. They have to be very angry and tired of the Ayatollahs to risk, and lose their lives by the thousands a few months ago.

The Israelis have turned arrogant but in part is because of the intransigence of Palestinians.

It is obvious the Jews invaded Palestinian lands in the 1940s, initially peacefully, later with terror and war.

Palestinians were right to oppose them but after several bloody defeats, and further loss of land, should have realized they would not be able to kick the Jews into the sea or back to Europe.

What they should have done is accept the reality of Israel and, while Israel had nor yet become arrogant with so much winning, try to get the US and international community to push Israel to accept a Palestinian state.

But they did not, even after the Jews defeated all Arab armies together.

After each defeat the Palestinians became more bitter and hateful, culminating wirh Hamas running Gaza.

Yes, the Jews, after every win increased their ambition to recreate Greater Israel and do everything they can to get the Palestinians to go.

Then Hamas committed several stupidities.

For example, once the Arab nations decided no more wars against the Jews and decided not to support Hamas, Hamas turned to Iran for support.

Then they made a huge mistake; the massacre of Jews on October 7.

Even if it is true that Israel on purpose weakened its defensive measures to facilitate rhe attack by Hamas, Hamas was still criminal, they did the killing.

Of course, if it is true the Israeli government removed troops to facilitate the killing, they deserve the death penalty but that is wrongdoing by Jews to Jews.

For Palestinians to seek support from Iran, a shiite state hateful of sunni states, was absolutely insane and it is no surprise the Jews went after Iran, Hizbollah, etc.

Fortunately for Palestinians, the Jews made a huge mistake; masdacre the innocent in Gaza.

That turned American public opinion against Jews and Israel. Its effects have not culminated but the time is not far when US piluticians come to see that supporting Israel is toxic at election time.

We are seeing Jewish influence in the US cracking but not yet collapsed.

Attacking Iran now is right. Israel is a new reality with the right to survive, although not tge right to Greater Israel, no matter what any holy book says.

But let us face it; what the Jews are doing to the Palestinians is not different from what the Moslems did to the peoples they conquered and nobody in Morocco or other places tries to kick the Moslems out, kill them and return to Paganism.

As for the US helping Israel too much, if that is so what most Americans like Carlson have to do is retune the US political system so that no lobby, Jewish, Chinese, Armenian, Moslem, pharmaceutical, military or any other lobby can have so much influence.

Do not blame the Jewish lobby or other lobbies, change the syatem instead.

The system the US and orthers need is the Swiss system or real power in rhe hands of the people.

In such syatem, politicians obey the people and the lobbies have to lobby the people. Study the Swiss system and how it will fix all major US messes.

Take to streets and demand the Swiss system, do not blame the Jews!

There is a lot of rationalization trying to overcome the inferiotity complex of Christians and Moslems in relation to Jews. I am not Jewish.

The problem can be fixed only by abandoning Christianity and embracing human reason as the only rational way to deal with the mosteries and wonders of nature, with ethics, civil life and everything else.

That is what the Ancient Greeks did and that is what empowered them and that is why they left behind the rest of humanity of the time, Jews and Persians included.

That is why the Greeks developed democracy; rule by us, by the people themselves, not by any god or gods or holy books.

The Greek and Roman gods did not come close to the Jewish (Christian and Muslim god), they had many and each occupied a limited parcel of life; god of the home. Of war, of the sea, etc.

The Greeks and Romans treated their gods only as slightly superior to humans and they had a kind of dialogue, a transactional relation to them

This can be seen in the way they prayed and offered sacrifices not to ask for forgiveness for sins like the Jews did and, later Christians and Moslems, the Greeks and Romans sacrificed an animal to get something from a particular god.
Greek: “O Zeus, grant victory to our army, and accept this bull as offering.”
Roman: “Jupiter, if we follow the auspices and perform the ritual correctly, grant peace and prosperity to Rome.”
Jewish: “Hear, O Lord, our prayers, forgive our sins, and guide us in Your ways.”
Christian: “Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name; Your kingdom come.”
Muslim: “O Allah, guide me, forgive my sins, and bless me and my family.”
Praying postures also reflect the self image of each: Greeks and Romans prayed standing and seated. On rare occasions the Romans prayed kneeling. Never prostrated
Jews prayed standing, kneeling and sometimes prostrated.
Christians prayed standing and frequent kneeling.
As for Moslems, you can see how they pray.

It is obvious by how they looked at god or gods that Greeks and Romans had a much higher esteem of humans and thus they had gods with very limited powers.
They never looked at the gods for moral, ethical or legal guidance, they had to figure out what was the right thing by themselves.

That is why they rely on human reason as the essential tool to deal with everything.

That is why the Greeks developed democracy as rational way to govern: “ we think, we debate, we vote to decide”, no divine kings, no high priests, no god, mo holy books”

The other peoples of the time, Jews, Persians, Egyptiians or the more distant Indians of Chines or anybody else ever came close to the Greeks.

Democracy empowered the people and the individual. No wonder the Greeks thought about everything without fear of violating any dogma, holy book or “revealed truth”.

No doubt the concept of an all powerful god ruling over humans made no sense to Greeks and Romans.

Neither probably make sense to Greeks and Romans to have exclusively male divinity, they had goddesses too, which shows women were held in much higher regard than in Judaism and the latecomers Christians and Moslems.

That is why the Romans ruling over the Jews did not force them to vonvert to Roman beliefs and respected Jewish beliefs, except when Judaism became political. Romans did not care much for Judaism as religion but cracked down on Jews and destroyed the temple because Jews rebelled against Roman rule, a serious miscalculation but not the first in the long history of miscalculations by Jews, although one can not deny that, overall, Jews calculated even better than the Greek and Roman political entities.

However, Greek and Roman thought came back from the dead and are in the process of prevailing over Christian, Jewish and Moslem thought since the Renaissance and the Enlightenment which pushed religion and god to the sidelines.

Somehow, a number of Middle Ages Italians and orhers decided to bring back freedom of thought and democracy.

The rest is history; the number of people abandoning religion, not because they hate religion or god but because it no longer makes sense in view of the advances of Greek thought-based science in all fields, including the spiritual.

The efforts of the Church to shoehorn Christianity into Greek thought, or viceversa have been an abject failure, just a bunch of intellectual pirouettes. If the Ancient Greeks could read what Thomas Aquinas and others did, the Greeks would have seen them as irrational; Greek ideas about everything were very diverse but all the product of human thinking, not of revealed truth, that would be an absurd concept to them. In fact, they knew of Judaism but did not make sense to them. How could it? For the Greeks, man, not the gods are the measure of all things.

In fact, that is what Protagoras stated some 2600 years ago.

The greeks did not execute him for pushing gods aside, an indication of how civilized they were.

They did no go after him either when he stated:
“Concerning the gods, I am not able to know whether they exist or not, or what they are like, because of the obscurity of the subject and the shortness of human life.”

Neirher did they go after Democritus who, at about the same time stated that
All things consist of atoms and void.
Reason is the tool to understand the World. Knowledge, perception, and reason are central; the gods (if they exist) are irrelevant to natural processes.

Thought is the result of the activity of the atoms of our head, not of any soul.

Look at how differently the Christian treated Galileo when he put forward rational evidence that Earth was not at the center of the Universe, they practically killed him. Or what the Jews did to Spinoza in the 1600s.

Not to mention what Moslems even today do to non believers or apostates…
Let me say sometjing about Marxists and Atheists who hate and fight the idea of god; they are as irrational and primitive as those who persecuted Galileo or Spinoza, or the deranged Moslem Supremacists of today.

We have not completely left behind dogmatic magical thinking, otherwise we would not have Marxism, Fascism, Nazism or all the religions.

But we will bevause science proves that many religious beliefs make no sense, that absolute thinking is irrational when applied to nature and thought, perhaps mathematics is the exception.

Marxism, communism, socialism, religious fascism like Iran’s are much worse than just religious beliefs.

Religious thinking is contrsry to democracy too because absolute truth. Faith, is incompatible with freedom of thought. Fortunately, most Christians have acvepted to separate religion from politics and laws. Most Jews in Western coyntries too, but not the Sionists. As for Moslems, they are stuck in pre Galileo times.

One big step all countries need to take to catch up to the Greeks is to bring final authority to decide laws and policies to the votets and remove them from elected politicians. So far, only the Swiss come close.

To all Jews, Sionists and otherwise. To all Christian Sionists too.

Do not you realize your lobbying in favour of Israel is creating millions of American antisemites by the day and that the end result will be a new catastrophe for Jews?

That your lobbying on behalf of Israel is perfectly legal does not mean that most Anericans, fair minded Anericans, do not think it is excessive.

For example, most fair minded Americans believe that most Anerican politicians in the federal executive and legislative decide in favour of Israel even when the majority of Anericans disagree, such was and is the case with Israeli actions in Gaza, but you see it as just antisemitism, as hate of Jews for being Jews. In my opinion, that is an irrational conclusion which sets you, Sionists Jews and Christian Sionists, on a collision course with most Americans, a collision in which you will be in the losing side because, sooner or later, by the ballot or the bullet, the majority will impose its will.

To make matters much worse for you and for Israel, you double down in your actions to control and suppress criticism of your support for Israel.

One clear example is Larry Ellison buying Tik Tok US and CBS news in order to control what users of Tik Tok see or say about you and Israel.

Mr. Ellison: you have the right whatever yoy can but those purchases create more antisemites because they dovetail with the perception that you, the Jews, have already too much influence over politicians and now also want to control what we post and see on Tik Tok and what we watch in CBS.

Do you not see that actions such as those create more resentment and more antisemitism? Do you not see that the issue is rapidly evolving from criticism of Israel in Gaza to growing antisemitism in the US and that Larry Ellison action ads fuel to the antisemitism rocket?

Do not you see that the issue is not just anti Sionism or anti Israel but outright antisemitism, triggered by your unfair accusation that criticism of Israel is just antisemitism?

Do not you not see that it is irrational to believe that you, the Jews, who represent 2% of the American population can not prevail on any issue in which the majority thinks otherwise.

Even if you were right and critics of Israel and of Larry Ellison actions, and other actions by Jews, are motivated by irrational, foaming at the mouth antisemitic feelings, if the people holding such feelings constitute the majority you, the Jews in America, can not prevail because you are a tiny minority. No matter how accomplished Jews can never prevail, and history proves that over and over since the Pharaohs.

Never mind the stupid accusation tha Jews want to control the World, the facts speak the opposite, that the Jews, over and over are at the mercy of the non-Jewish majority, that is precisely what motivated Jews to re-create Israel.

But you are blowing it; somehow, and amazingly, you succeeded in creating Israel (thanks to the support of the British) but you continue to be at the mercy of non Jews.

Israel was made possible by non-Jews and Israel survives thanks to the support of the US.

Until Gaza, most Americans supported Israel when the issue was to help tiny Israel survive against the hundreds of millions of hostile Moslem Supremacists.

Up until Gaza the opinion of most Americans aligned with the decusions of Democrat and Republican governments in support of Israel, that alignment is now broken.

Unfortunately, and in a decision of unbelievable stupidity, so stupid that is suicidal, Jewish and Christian Sionists decided that millions of Americans who before supported Israel have now, for no good reason, turned into antisemites. It is absurd.

Most of those Americans who criticize Israel on Gaza agree what Hamas did on October 7 was horrible, and supported that Israel retaliate. What they disagree with is the manner in which Israel retaliated; they found it unjustified, excessive.

Unfortunately, Jewish Sionists and Christian Sionists reacted to criticism of Israel as if it was antisemitisn. While I am certain the antisemites were among the critics, most critics are not antisemites, they are fair ninded people who found Israeli actions excessive and also found excessive the US government actions and votes in support of Israeli actions in Gaza.

When those fair minded critics saw themselves being accused of antisemitism, many of them did turn into antisemites; they felt the accusation was not true.
Quite rationally, when anyone sees himself or herself being accused of what they are not, they turn on the accuser, they do not pretend that the accuser has said nothing.

Unfortunately, and correctly, when that happens you, Zionist Jews and Christian Sionists, accuse the new antisemites of being antisemites but are unable to see that it is your words and actions who turned them into amtisemites.

Because of the split between the opinion of most Americans and the decisions of US politicians, most non-Jewisn Americans are coming to the conclusion that American Jewish Sionists and Christian Sionists, have excessive influence over most US politicians.

Again you, Jewish and Christian Sionists, againbaccuse those people of being antisemitic.

We are now in a situation in which antisemitism is snowballing in the US.

We are hearing more and more voices saying: “ Jews have too much power”, “the government of Israel controls the US government”, etc.

No need to be a sharp observer to see this will end up badly for you, the Jewish Americans and for Israel.

There is at least one way to prevent an antisemitic catastrophe in the US.

American Jews, Sionists or not, who want Israel to survive, and Christian Sionists too, have to tell Israel: “we will stop all lobbying for Israel, except in a clear extreme situation in which the survival of Israel is in danger. Hamas is not such danger because they lack the power to do do”.

“From now on, Israel will not get any special treatment. Israel will have to lobby the US government like other lobbies but will not be able to count on the support of American Jews, no matter how rich or poor”.

“Us the American Jews, will act in ways that will show other Anericans we put America and Anericans before Israel and Israelis. Judaism is our religion and Jewish our culture but we are Americans, not Israelis”.

My suggestion to you American Jews and all Anericans is that to stop and reverse the demolicion of the credibility of the US government in the eyes of most Americans, to roll back the snowballing antisemitism, America needs “the Swiss amendment” to the US Constitution.

Such amendment transfers final decision making power over any issue that approxinately 1% of registered voters sign up to put it to a referendum. This means that the voters will become the final decision makers on, for example, the amount and type of assistance to Israel or any other country.

This amendment transfer all decisive power to the people from poluticians. Fir that reason, also forces the lobbies to lobby the public directly. The Israeli lobby could collect the signatures to put the issue of degree if support for Israel to a popular referendum. It is the democratic way to do it.

All lobbies will then kniw the politicians can only do what has the support of the majority of the voters.

Right now you, the Jews are doing nothing illegal, you just are very smart at lobbying, like at so many other things.

In fact, it is the US Constitution and the US Supreme Court who handed excessive power to piliticians and lobbies, “the Swiss amendment” fixes the “loophole”.

Most ntisemitism will go away too because I see antisemitism as a tribal issue. The majority tribe needs to feel in control of their government, land and destiny, when a minority tribe, in this case you, the Jews, acquires extraordinary influence, disproportionate to your numbers, even if it is the result of hard work and brains, the majority tribe will not accept that for the reasons I indicated, and sooner or later will act to take control back.

IN a real democracy suc tribal conflict would never arise because such democracy will have “government by the majority while respecting the minority but not at rhe expense of the majority.

The strategy of blaming on antisemitism the criticism of Israel on Gaza or of saying that Jews have too much influence over the US government when it comes to Israel, both are irrational because they create more antisemitism.

You, Jews also need to keep in mind that those politicians, including Trump, Biden, etc., who now so loudly support Israel, you do not know if they do so out of conviction or because they need Jewish donor money.

Many of them will quickly turn on you and Israel, or abandon both, once they see most voters have done that. I think it is starting to happen; some reports say “Jewish money”, “AIPAC money” is now toxic for political campaigns.