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Dear Metaxas: It is false that Chrustianity leads to liberty;

Fact, before the Renaissance Christianity was very intolerant of liberty, religious or pilitical. The repeated persecution of Jews all over Europe for religious reasobs is proof.

The Christian lands of Europe never produced democracy, not a single European country produced democracy when while Christianity was politically dominant.

Democracy and liberty, including luberty to think, does nit come from Chrustianity it comes from Ancuent Greej thought that precedes Christ by some 500 years and Chrustian Europe by more than 800 years, yet the Greeks had liberty of thought and democracy.

The Greeks never had the irrational idea that there are absolute ethical truths or orher absolute truths handed over to humans by anybody.

This is why the Greejs belueved in religious freedom and did not impose their religious beliefs on other ancient peoples like Jews, Egyptians, Persians or Indians, even after they cobquered them, even after the Greeks had lost their denocracies.

Liberty came back to Europe not because of Christianity, which like all “absolute truth” religions, opposes and can not comprehend liberty of thought.

That is why there have been religious wars even among the Chrustians themselves.

That is why Christian Catholics and Christian Protestants often killed each other for having different beliefs, that is why the Chrjstian Inquisition killed Jewa and practically killed Galileo and others, that is why Christian Calvinists burned Servet to death for disagreeing on the Holy Trinity.
History shows that Jews and Moslens are no better when religion rules..

Liberty of thought came to Europe when the Italians rediscovered the Greeks and sparked the Renaissance that led to the Enlightenment, the return of democracy, rule of law and the liberty to use Reason and ovservation, not faith, not holy books, no god to understand ourselves, nature, the universe.

In time, all the peopkes of the peoples of the World are “converting” to Greco-European thought and keeping religion to the head of the believer.

No, liberty does not come from Christianity or any other relugion. It comes from the Ancient Greeks who never allowed their gods to tell Greeks what to believe or how to live, or send hunans any revealed or prophets.

By the way, Marxism, Communism, Socialism are exactly like Chistianity, Judaism and Islam, Marxism and the rest are ‘ absolute truths but without god, no wonder they conmit far worse crimes.

Metaxas is a Greek name, if you go back to Protagoras and Democritus you will be far ahead of Chrustianity in liberty ans a lot more.

Dear World: Let us face reality, the whole World is gradually joining Western civilisation.

And no, Western civilisation is not Christian, Christianity is the majority religion, Western civilisation is the continuation of Greek civilisation, the civilisation that continued the process of civilizing the rest of Europe when in the Middle Ages, some Italians came across Greek Thought and clicked.

The result was Galileo, Kepler, Copernicus, Servet and others who directly and indirectly challenge the Theo-centric and Earth-centric beliefs of the Chistians, the Jews and Moslem and Hindus and every other religion.

The hard truth is that while Christian thought dominated Europe, Europe remained backward.

It could not be otherwise because religion put god and his “absolute truths” about everything in control of human life and thus fixed and backward.

It can not be otherwise. For example, if disease, or the birth of a deformed baby is punishment from god, why think about rational causes?

Unfortunately, when the Greeks were conquered by the totalitarian Macedonians 2400 years ago ( yes, those of Alexander the Great) democracy, which is freedom of thought, died and no other people, including the Macedonian conquerors, the Jews, the Persians, the Egyptians were willing or able to assimilate the concept of a human-centered World, they all found more comforting a god- centered World. Then came the Christians whose ideas were found by the people of the Roman Empire far more comforting than Grerk Reason.

The Romans were heavily influenced by Greek thought but never assimilated freedom of thought, the immense curiosity of the Greeks about everything or the anility of Greek Reason to observe and understand through logic, not through god everything wirhin humans, nature, animals, plants and the whole universe.

Fortunately the Italians of the Middle Ages resurrected Greek Reason and the rest is history.

European religious authorities, Protestant, Catholic and Jewish started to lose ground to Reason. Today in the countries of Europe where Reason and its result, science, have advanced the most, most people have set god aside.

Some, like the Socialists and Communists are actively against god which makes as little sense as relying on god to rule our lives and explain the Universe.

Anyway, with the Renaissance of Galileo, Copernicus and others reached the same conclusion that Aristarcus of Samos reached 2400 years ago, that the Earth rotated around tge Sun, not the other way around. Europeans started to think for themselves again. Observation and Reason started to push god, faith, religion, to the sidelines.

Then came the European Enlightenment and the partial return of Greek democracy.

I say partial because even today, the only country that comes close, not fully, to ancient Greek democracies is Switzerland. Switzerland is the only country where you can say that in spite of the elected politicians (which real democracy does not have), one could say that Switzerland is a real democracy because the people are the final executive and legislative authority over any law or decision made by the elected politicians.

To the Greeks, and to the Swiss, what they have in France, Canada, US, UK, Sweden, Japan, etc., would not be considered democracies but elected aristocracies (often controlled by the money oligarchs who control political campaigns).

The science and rechnology of the West, which the direct result of belief in humans, in our ability to observe and reason, along with the political, social, economic, legal ad administrative ideas of the West have spread to the World and caused the most capable societies to catch up with the West.

In the process they had to ditch, like the Europeans did earlier, the life centered in religion, divine kings and emperors, etc.

Yes, some Europeans and others could not resist embracing Marxism and derivatives, psychologically, religions without god.

Today, Japanese, Chinese, and other advanced countries are part of Western civilisation, they live like people in the West; same science, same tools and appliances, same school education. They keep their languages, foods and folk traditions, and that is good, their daily lives are Western.

Tucker has lost his mind. He has become a demagogue. What does f word used by Trump have to do with Easter morning. Religion and politics are separate things.

It is gross to speak hoq Trump does but it has nothing to do with Christianity, or even most Moslems.

Tucker’s brain has been taken over by irrational antisemitism. He also has become anti American and anti Arab and anti moderate Moslems; it is obvious Iran is a danger for every neighbour and even for far away places who need oil to survive, not just the Jews.

Who the hell is Iran to stop the oil flow to countries who have nothing to do with Iran.

The hard truth is that the nukes and constant threats and attacks by Iran and its proxies to Israel, Arab states, etc., caused the war.

The Ayatollahs must go, every new threat they make, every rocket they launch towards Israel and the Arabs, every ship they block or attack is another reason to eliminate the regime ASAP.

Even if they destroy water plants of the Arabs, they still have to go now. Just imagine life in the Middle East for all countries, not just Israel if Iran has nukes.

Israel was deeply wrong in Gaza by killing so many innocent, but on Iran, Israel is 100% morally right.

Tucker lost his mind. All he should do is push the Swiss system, in it the voters directly, democratically, would decide the degree and type of support for Israel and on attacking Iran, not Trump, not the politicians.

But I suspect Carlson is not a real democrat but another elitist like all religious people and Marxists and Fascists, all are convinced that the peophets, their messiahs, their holy books have The One Truth to guide humans. Yes, Marxism is exactly like a fanatical religion; Prophet Marx wrote the holy book which, among other things it mandates the elimination of infidels, the capitalists.

Tucker is contributing to undermining America by increasing polarisation and antisemitism.

If he wants to prevent excessive influence by lobbies, ALL of them he should push to update the US Constitution, with the Swiss amendment, Jews should too because, as reality shows, under the current constitution antisemitism is booming and brings grave danger to Jews and Israel, for obvious reasons.

All countries need the Swiss system, let the people vote to decide issues, voting to elect representatives is not enough.

Let the people grow up and take responsibility for all key policies and laws.

In my opinion, the Europeans banning US flights are suicidal, but the people should decide that, not politicians.

Europe needs a deep political reset and feel proud of being Europe again; the peoples who produced the amazing civilisation that is civilizing the whole World; even the Jews, Chinese, Indians, etc., have accepted European thinking.

Trump, Farage, Orban, etc., can not fix the West, the people of the West have to fix the West

By the way, European civilisation is not Judeo Christian at all, it is Greek. It is the logical continuation of Greek civilisation. The traditional religion is what is JudeoChristian. Remember the Church did not like the Renaissance of Greek thought, did not like democracy. In fact, the Church tried to kill Galileo and all freedom of thought with the Inquisition.

The JudeoChristian religion opposed rational understanding of life and the Universe. Is was the Italians who connected with Ancient Greek and Roman reason who forced JudeoChristianity and indirectly all other religions, into retreat, universal inexorable total retreat, not with violence, like the crazed Marxists do, but with reason and the inevitable advances of science.

The time has come to say a friendly good bye to all religions, all based on magical beliefs, and say hello, finally!, to humam Reason.

One important first step would be for the peoples of the World to decide they do not need kings, Ayatollahs, Popes, Rabbis, Priests and any divine scriptures, General Secretaries of Communist Parties and their insane Marxist anti-religion religion, to decide what is right and wrong, to govern ourselves, to understand life and the Universe, all we need is reason.

It is humam reason that improves the lives of humans, not any religion;

Mastering fire,

The wheel,

Cooking food

Hunting,

Farming,

Running water,

Toilets,

Electricity,

Treated water,

Showers

Airplanes

Refrigerators,

Clothes washers,

Clothing,

Cars

Telephone

Trains,

Steam engine

Gas engine

Diesel engine

Solar panels,

Pennicillin,

Surgery,

Detailed understanding of the human body and mind,

Libraries,

Alphabet,

Books,

TV,

Telephone,

Radar,

Rockets,

Bridges

Dams,

Paved roads

Shoes,

and on and on.

Human brains improve human life, not gods, holy books, prophets, priests, rabbies, not magical beliefs in Gardens of Eden, Heaven, the Devil and on and on.

All ordinary humans can take a huge step forward; demand to be masters of their communities and nations. This means putting the voters in charge, not ant leaders, elected or not.

That is the Ancient Greece system of government, the people hold the power to make the final decision on ANY issue, after respectful debate of proposal and decision by majority vote; not the king, not the Communist or Fascist dictator, not even the elected politicians.

In a real democracy, elected politicians carry out the will of the people, they do not lead or guide the people.

The only modern country that measures up to real democracy is Switzerland. In Switzerland the people in the town, the city, the canton (state or region) and at the national federal level are the final authority on any political or economic issue, not the executive, not the legislative, no even the judges of the highest court in the land.

So to fix the West ( and human societies all over) we all need rhe Swiss system.

Canada’s opposition leader, Polievre, is right, Canada needs the Swiss system, but so does the US and ALL other democracies, even the Scandinavians.

To Ana Kasparian and others turned into antisemites by the US Constitution and US laws.
You are irrational. You are right criticizing the abomination of Israel in Gaza but Israel is 100% right in going after the Ayatollahs.

Trump is right too going after them because they are a danger also to all its neighbours and to essential energy supplies. Sure, they are blocking Hormuz now but do you doubt what they would do to oil supplies and to the oil industry of the neighbours if they have nukes? I tell you what they would do, they would blackmail the World.

The hard trutth dear Anna is that the regime has to go, hell, even its Moslem neighbours are so scares of Iran that they have asked for US military bases in their territories!

They are more scared of Iran than Israel is because they are militarily weaker than Israel. In extremis, Israal can nuke Iran, which they do not.

Do you have any doubt the Ayatollahs would nuke Israel to eradicate it, even if Israel nukes them back and kills millions of Iranians? For them it would be a colossal success to destroy Israel.

You are right too in criticising the US Jewish lobby but they do what they are legally allowed to do. Yes, the violate the spirit of democracy, that the will of the majoriry, not the will of any minority should prevail.

But all other lobbies violate the spirit of democracy and can be rationally argued that, at least together, and some even individually, cause far more harm to the lives of Americans and kill more of them than helping Israel does.

I am thinking of the lobbies of big pharma, big farm, big food, big health, big insurance, big banks, big finance, big weapons, etc.

You should criticize much more the US Constitution and the insane legislators and insane US Supreme Court.

This is why:

The US Constitution puts too much power in the hands of politicians. In fact it places essentially all legislative and executive power in their hands.

Whatever power it does not place in their hands it places in the hands of judges, in those of the Supreme Court and other judges.

It also places in the hands of politicians the selection and appointment of judges

The Constitution also allows insane practices like birthright citizenship, which has given rise to a whole travel industry.

The Supreme Court, in a completely insane decision, also allows unlimited spending in US elections. The obvious and predictable cobsequence is that it handed control of the results of US elections to the point that no candidate can mount a campaign for any election without big money from somewhere. Without money he will not be heard and attack ads will destroy his/her campaign.

I do think like you that the US should not have supported Israel’s actions in Gaza because it can not be justified if we respect life, to kill tens of thousands of innocents just because some Hamas are among them. It is like killing flies with artillery; the collateral damage is unacceptable.

Yes, Hamas are murderers that should be killed but during the Gaza occupation, they presented no danger to Israelis, excepto the occupying soldies, but even that was minima and certainly you can not justify the inhuma actions of the Israelis.

You are also right denouncing the abuses of Palestinians by sokdiers and “settlers” in the West Bank. But Iran does present, unlike Hamas, an existencial threat to Israel, particularly if it has nukes. Hamas would love to be an existencial threat too, but lacks the means.

Israel, in spite of its abuses in Gaza and West Bank, wants to exist and, for now, most people in the US and the West, perhaps even around the World, support the survival of Israel, but that could change if the Israelis and Jews supporting it, continue their legal but antidemocracy lobbying efforts.

My suggestion to you is to stop being a foaming at the mouth antisemite. Yes, you are an antisemite because you oppose the will of most semites (meaning Jews). Most Israelis and the most representative Jewish organisations in the US support what Israel did in Gaza and what it does in the West Bank.

I think you should be able to distinguish the immorality of Israel in Gaza from the morality of attacking Iran.

But there is sonething much more imoortant and effective you could do so that neither the politicians nor the lobbies can make decisions, pass laws, amend the Constitution to do what they think is right for the country, for themselves and the lobbies and also force all lobbies to present their arguments and get the support of most Americans. What you should do is work your butt off to bring to America what I call, “The Swiss Amendment”.

Such amendment transfer final decision making powers over any policy, executive decision, treaty, regulation and contents of the Constitition to the voters directly.

A critical provision is that prohibits that the Swiss Supreme Court even examine any decision by the people. In the Swiss system, any decision made by the people in a referendum is constitutional, only another referendum by the people can overturn it.

In the Swiss system the people have absokute and final power to stop or throw away any decision by politicians and also the power to force politicians to pass new laws, change the constitution, etc.

Very important is that any Swiss citizen or group of citizens or organisation can initiate the process of the referendum, the government can not.

For example, in the US any group of Americans could initiate the process to hold a referendum on the degree of support of all sorts that the US should allocate to Israel and the American voters would decide and the decision would be final until another referendum decides differently.

This system takes care of any attempt by any lobby or politician to ignore or even go against the will of the majority. It brings unmatched political stability and responsible and responsive government to Swiss towns, cantons and to the federal goverment.

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Antisemitism will not go awat until we abandon all supremacist religions: “this is THE TRUTH, the rest are wrong/evil”, and we fully return/recover/”convert” to Greek Reason. The Greeks, even the Romans, were not antisemites, how could they be if they were far above any “THIS is THE TRUTH” religion-based society.

The Greeks in particular were so far ahead that only when we adopted part of their thinking did Europe developed the Renaissance and the Enlightenment, pulled European Jews along, and the rest is that the whole World started to become Western, China being the las country to adopt the scientific and economic and political ideas of the West. Unfortunately, they are still stuck in a terrible, political Western-Jewish pilitical idea, Messianic Marxism. But soon they will ditch it for democracy.

By the way, democracies today have not yet caught up with ancient Greek democracies.

Our democracies are a great advance with respect to absolute kings, emperors, theocracies, dictators, communism and fascism because we have freedom of expression, freedom to choose our rulers, but we, the people still do not rule.

In ancient Greek democracies the people ruled; the people, after organized discussion and debate, were the final authority on any law or policy.

In Greek democracy there were no holy books, no revealed truth, no prophets, no messiahs, no supreme gods; humans were the measure of all things, as Protagoras stated 2500 years ago.

If the people are not the final executive and legislative authority, we are not a democracy; freedom of expression and freedom to choose rulers are not enough, we must have freedom to decide and to prevail over elected politicians, and the Supreme Court must not exist or be a council of the people, no judges appointed by politicians.

The only country that comes close to real democracy today is Switzerland.

Once the people rule and Reason is the measure, antisemitism will disappear. We need to transcend religion.

By adopting Reason and giving up religion we will, again, leave any religion based society behind.

A side benefit will be that Christians and Moslems and perhaps others, will overcome without anger, without resentment, their pathetic inferiority complex with respect to Jews ans will far outhink Judaism-based thought, just like the Greeks decisively and forever did more than 2800 years ago.

Polievre chat with Joe Rogan.

And we all need the Swiss system of political decision making. Polievre and Joe did not say it, but I will: the Swiss system is real democracy, the democracies of all other democratic countries are half baked democracies because the wiil of the people is often not carried and sometimes the politicians make decisions contrary to the will of the people.

It does not matter if they are representative democracies English style, or Republics in the American or French style.

Non democracies like Russia, China, Iran are abominations contrary to human dignity and life. Absolute monarquies like Saudi Arabia are also abominations but not as terrible.

Communist, fascist or one man or one party or one religion dictatorships are all abominations and must disappear from the face of the earth, they diseases, just like cancer, polio, the Wohan virus etc.

Study the Swiss.

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Thanks Polievre! I hope Carney agrees and Canada becomes another Switzerland, or better.

A land where the people have final executive and legislative power over politicians.

A land where the people, on their own initiative, can call for binding referendums on any proposal that 1% of registered voters sign up to sen it to binding referendum; any law, new or existing, any policy, any provision of the cobstitution.

A Spanish poet; Machado wrote about life: “Walker, there is no way ahead, you make the way as you walk”.

In the Swiss system: ” there is no fixed constitition, the voters make the cobstitution as they vote in referemdumns”.

The Swiss apply the same system in towns, cantons ( they are a bit like US states but with more autonomy)

Thanks Polievre!, thanks Rogan!

A number of people have lost their minds as a result of Israel’s abominal behaviour in Gaza; they now defend the Ayatollahs, they have hone “full Hamas”.

Let us be rational; Iran is a threat to everybody. What sort of Moslem regime will even scare its Moslem neighbours to the point of them wanting to have American military bases? Keep in mind America is Israel’s strongest ally by far.

The Iranian regime murders thousands of Iranians just for protesting. What kind of Iranians or Moslems are those willing to kill fellow Iranians, fellow Moslens in Iran and outside Iran?

What kind of regime will support Hamas and Hizbollah, what kind of regime declare as its main goal to eliminate Israel and consider America the devil when even Israel’s neighbours are starting to accept Israel?

It is obvious that people like Ana Kasparian, Jimmy Dore, Tucker Carlson and many others have lost their minds; they have evolved from the sanity of criticising Israel in Gaza to defending the Ayatollahs, the deadly enemy of Israel, and the country firing missiles at its neighbouring Moslem states just because those nations decided that the Iranian regime scares them and to protect themselves invited the Americans to have bases.

In other words, Tucker, etc., have developed full Jewish Derangement Syndrome, totally irrational, they are defending the deadly enemies of the West and even of Arab Moslem states.

Frankly, it is not unlike supporting the nazis and the killing of the Jews when the British and the Americans started to attack the invaders of France, tge Nederlands, Poland, etc.

Carlson and the others at mad at American Jews because they have too much influence over American politicians.

They are right, the Jewish lobby does have too much influence over the President and Congress, no matter which party is in power.

But I think they would agree that so does the powerful lobbies of big pharma, big farm, big food processing, big retail, big weapons, big bureaucracy, big law, big oil, big solar, big labour, big health, big insurance and on and on.

I would even argue those lobbies, some of them by themselves, harm Americans far more than the Israeli lobby; for example, the lobbies who fight universal health care or healthy for Americans.

They would agree with me, if they are rational, that those lobbies, all of them have too much influence over politicians but do so legally, the US Constitution, the electoral campaign laws and the Supreme Court allow unlimited influence over electoral campaigns in the US.

The do that by allowing unlimited money contributions, positive and attack ads, by controlling news and editorials, etc.

The Jewish lobby is very successful in its goal of helping Israel. I do think they make a mistake by, in my opinion, going too far in the use of their influence and have created a scary backlash.

But I think Tucker and the rest would also agree that in life and death terms, big food, big pharma, big farm, big “health”, kill or cause the death of far more Americans than all the Middle East wars, even if you assume that the US attacked Irak, Iran, etc., to help Israel.

If Tucker and the rest can overcome their JDS, they woul not attack the Jewish lobby; they would seek reform of the Constitution.

Need the Swiss amendment

“The American people can initiate binding referendums on any issue in their towns, states and at the federal level, and the results of such referendums will be of mandatory execution by the executive and the legislature, and the Supreme Court will not be permitted to consider the constitutionality of such referendums”.

Any citizen, group of citizens, lobby, union, professional group, political association or party (with or without elected politicians), any religious group, etc., can collect the 1% of signatures of registered voters agreing with the proponents of the referendum. Once they have the signatures after a reasoable time of several months or longer, dependind on the issue, the referendum shall take place.

For example, Americans could take to such referendum issues like abortion, terms for politicians, campaign laws, changes to the constitution, universal health system, pesticides, NATO, assistance to Israel, etc.

No, our civilisation is not Christian or JudeoChristian, our civilisation, the civilisation spreading around the World is the continuation of Greek civilisation. Christianity is just the religion of many.

Remember that Europe only took off, recivilized itself, in the Renaissance after knowing of the Greeks. This means that after 16 centuries of Christianity, Europe remained backward, as it can not be otherwise when faith suppresses freedom.

That is why also Communist countries, religious regimes, etc., keep countries backward. No, China is not a Communist regime, it is a fascist-capitalist regime using the word Communism to fool the Chinese people. Im fact, China is more like nazi Germany.

Just a reminder; the West civilized itself and its ideas and inventions in all areas of knowledge are gradually civilizing the whole World, but it is not because of Christianity, it is because in the Middle ages, after 1600 years of Christianity and even more of Judaism, some Europeans came across ancient Greek ideas like placing humans at the center, pushing divinities to the margins, freedom of thought and decision, and its natural consequence, democracy.

Fortunately, those Europeans became fascinated by Greek thought (which the ancient Israelis, along with Persians, Phillistines and orhers, were unable to grasp), otherwise Israel and the others would have become shiny sparks in the Ancient World and the Renaissance and Enlightenment would have happened abour 2000 year earlier, 400 before Christ, etc.)

The European Renaissance and the Enlightenment, this time, also won over many European Jews.

The rest is history, even smart people like Chinese, Japanese, Indians have “converted” to Western Civilization and some like the Japanese, the Taiwanese and others are as good, as civilized, as any Western country.

India has even embraced representative democracy, and the Chinese of the mainland surely will too in time, once they see that CCP Marxist dogmas and corruption, and controlling the people, holds them back materially and, just as important, in terms of freedom and human dignity. Yes, the Chinese today are way behind the ancient Greeks in freedom and dignity.

Another hard truth is that the Moslems, during their holy wars, also came across Greek thought.

At first they fell in love and adopted Greek freedom of thought, which is what Greek Philosophy is about. Unfortunately, soon the Islamic authorities felt unesat trying to thread Moslem dogma (rigid ideas) with Greek freedom of thought and in the 10th century started to shut freedom of thought down.

The Christian authorities were unable, but not unwilling to do the same but, for whatever reason, the Europeans resisted, although the Church tried hard; almost killed Galileo, burned his books, also burned Copernicus books and banned certain ancient Greek authors.

At the same time, faced with the impossibility of eradicating Greek thought, a number of Church authorities like Augustine, Thomas Aquinas and orhers performed assorted intellectual pirouettes trying to sew the Christo-Judean beliefs with Greek Reason and freedom of thought, an irational goal because faith and reason are like oil and water.

People have the right to have and believe anything that comforts them, but faith is real only in the mind of the believer.

Without scientofic proof, all the reasoning of the Fathers of the Church is about why God must exist, as per their reasoning, there is not one iota of proof that any god exists.

However, the idea of divinity is obviously comforting to millions of people, orherwise religion would not exist.

Testimonials about any god speaking to humans, miracles, etc., are not proof.

But let me tell you another hard truth; even today’s democracies are not real democracies. For sure they are far more civilized than any dictatorship; communist, islamic or fascist because they have freedom of thought and speech, and can elect their leaders, instead of being treated as not better than domestic animals, as is the case in all dictatorships.

The final hard truth is that only the Swiss haveba democracy that comes close to real democracy. This is because, while they have freedom of thought and expression and can elect representatives, the people can not decide any law or policy, which the Swiss can.

Many wars would not happen if ordinary citizens had the opportunity to discuss the issues and directly decide key laws, key policies and changes to the constitution, all on their own initiative and prevailing over decision or law made by politicians.

Buildimg democracy in Irak, Iran, Afghanistans, Lybia, Syria, etc., is not important, nor is it essential to have politically stable regimes after the evil regimes are overthrown.

What is important is that those countries do not become baes for terrorists, do not finance terrorists, do not have nuclear weapons that can threaten their neighbours or the civilized world, specifically the World that has civilized or is in the process of civilizing the world, not so much through empires and invasions but with ideas.

Basically, the West is the continuation of Greek classical thought about human reason as the basis to understanding ourselves, nature and the universe instead of this or that god, holy book, prophet or messiah.

By a fluke, the Italians and other Europeans rediscovered Greek thought and, bless them!, became fascinated, sparked the Renaissance and the Enlightenment that recivilized the Europeans and European Jews to Greek Reason.

In the process they initiated the destruction of religious faith, brought democracy and pushed off rule by god or holy books.

Im other words, our civilization is Greek ( they civilized the Romans too), it is the religion that is and is in the process of having been, Christian.

No, the advance is not Marxism, the “religion” that hates religin, but democracy.

In a democracy no god or priest rules anything, nor does the general secretary of any totalitarian, religous like, communist party inspired by “prophet” Marx and his insane “holy book”, Das Kapital.

In a democracy, in a real one, the people are free to propose ideas to their fellow citizens. The citizens debate them and vote to decide which law or policy should rule the community or the nation; no king, no president, no prime minister, no pope, no rabbi, no religion, no political ideology.

That is what the ancient Greeks did. Today. Only one country comes close to real democracy, Switzerland.

The Swiss people, unlike the people or the democracies of the ancient Greek city-states, do not decide every law or policy but decide ANY law or policy they choose to decide when about 1% of the registered voters decide a policy, law or the constitition must be decided by binding popular referendum.

In other words, among the modern democracies, Switzerland is the only one that can be considered a real democracy.

The rest of the so-called democracies are not so. They are elected aristocracies which often, such is the case in the US and many orhers, are dominated by lobbies who represent oligarchs.

Non democracies, like China, Iran, Saudi Arabia. Cuba, North Korea, etc , are inhumane abominations where the people have less rights than domestic animals.

Having said that, and regardless of the abominal actions of the Israeli army, directed by Netanyahu, in Gaza or of Trump’s protecting the Epstein criminal class, attacking and destroying crazy Mullahs of Iran is a proper moral action.

The Ayatollahs are so terrorific that do not only kill Iranians who protest, they kill gays, they enslave women with pre- Stonehenge clothing and behavioural rules, kill people who freely decide to abandon Islam and other crazy stuff like forcing women to play football with heads covered; they go beyond tha; the Ayatollahs are so terrorific that even states almost as backward as Iran, like Saudi Arabia, are so scared of them that they seek the protection of non-Moslem states, like US, and are even happy that the Jews bomb the hell out of Iran.

Maybe Bibi and Trump should go to jail for Gaza and Trump for the Epstein files, but on Iran they are 100% right, even if their motivation was to distract from Gaza and Epstein.

What is irrational is for many people to oppose attacking the crazy Iranian regime because of Gaza, because they hate the Jews or because they hate Trump.

It is irrational for the World to tolerate a regime like Iran’s; inhumane to its people, a threat to its neighbours, to Israel, to the West and a regime that if it had nuclear weapons could at will destroy the economies of the Gulf states and of much of the World by closing the Straights of Hormuz.